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[theatokos]

Facebook has exploded with all kinds of nonsense since the California Supreme Court handed down their decision regarding Prop 8 - they upheld it, so that means no more gay marriages.

I feel like such a curmudgeon, but GAH. I will not sign stupid internet proclamations like "One Million for Marriage" or "Repeal 2010". At this point, I am bored and frustrated with California's system of initiatives and court battles. There is no legitimate reason to keep gay people from getting married. Argue as you wish, but no. Your reason? Not a good one. But California's political system is a gigantic ball of FAIL. It warrants its own post, I think. So much time and money gets wasted with the initiative system.

What I REALLY want to hear people talking about is to separate marriage entirely from the government. Civil unions for all! Want to legally partner with someone? Civil union. Want a spouse? Civil union. Are you a spinster who wants to legally partner with your sister? Civil union. Three men want to legally bind together? Civil union. Want your religious community to recognize your union as a marriage? Then go to your church/synagogue/temple/etc. Let spiritual communities decide the marriage and let the government decide unions.

I think it is weird and legally hazy that in order to officiate the wedding of my two non-religious friends I have to get ordained. How stupid is that! And the state doesn't care how I'm ordained - it's important enough to have an ordination, but I can sign up through an internet Universal Life "Church" and voila! Legally binding! What hypocritical nonsense.

GAH. This curmudgeon is off to make tea and stomp around her apartment.

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[said-by-me.livejournal.com]

What I REALLY want to hear people talking about is to separate marriage entirely from the government. Civil unions for all! Want to legally partner with someone? Civil union. Want a spouse? Civil union. Are you a spinster who wants to legally partner with your sister? Civil union. Three men want to legally bind together? Civil union. Want your religious community to recognize your union as a marriage? Then go to your church/synagogue/temple/etc. Let spiritual communities decide the marriage and let the government decide unions.


This this this SO SO SO much this

[ewigweibliche.livejournal.com]

I get the feeling that more and more people feel this way. Maybe in time this will come to pass.

[keypike.livejournal.com]

It will come to pass. And people will look back and think how silly it once was that the govt decided who could and could not be united as a couple.

My hope is that it happens in my lifetime.

[msmidge.livejournal.com]

I was married by a minister of the Universal Life Church. She's also a Ph.D. student in the Women's Studies department, and I met her in a bar. That about sums up both her and my religious life right there.

[ewigweibliche.livejournal.com]

I'm going to have to go this route to perform the ceremony. It is so ridiculous and seems to cheapen the meaning of "minister."

[livingdeadpan.livejournal.com]

Cheapen is a stronger word that what it is. The ULC believes that everyone has the potential to guide his or her own spiritual journey, and that of others seeking guidance.

weahawk officiated our wedding as a ULC minister, but like you, it was for the legality of it. There was no mention of God/gods in the ceremony. Fifteen years ago, our only alternative would have been a Justice of the Peace or other stranger, instead of my best friend.

Think of the ULC as a link to the goal you posted about. If people are officiating unions as a minister in name only, perhaps someday we can drop the name.

[tadziu.livejournal.com]

That has ALWAYS been my position ever since I was very young: no more state sanctioned marriages. Everyone has a right to marry whoevers he or she wants. That means all form of unions as long as all parties consent to it.

It is also very personal for me...but not of the reason of why 99% of the people feel about the issue.

In any case I am more concerned about the constitution than the marriage issue. This means that *any* minority can be legislated to be discriminated against, as long as it is not written in black and white in the US constitution. Imagine all it takes is to have a majority votes to pass a law that makes all overweight people to do pay more taxes.

Finally I find the decision hilarious. Now the entire issue becomes a paradox: Same-sex marriages are not allowed, but the ones that have already exist is legal.

[ewigweibliche.livejournal.com]

Yes, this legal mess is one of the many reasons I don't like what is happening. Legislated discrimination, but also the back and forth between courts and voters. Ad naseum.

[qibitum.livejournal.com]

At the risk of sounding like facebook (but in the interest of getting outside to play w/my kid sooner rather than later)-- "I like this."

[so-sporktastic.livejournal.com]

Want your religious community to recognize your union as a marriage? Then go to your church/synagogue/temple/etc. Let spiritual communities decide the marriage and let the government decide unions.

That is EXACTLY my thought and has been since this whole shebang got public.

[alizarin71.livejournal.com]

Rock on sister! Civil unions for a civil society! One day science will catch up with us--hopefully in time for B. to get hitched.

In the meantime, I'll be honored to have the Right Reverend Asskicker officiate my weddin'. And I'll live in hope that California's sideshow of a constitution will get a re-boot half as good as Star Trek's.

the Right Reverend Asskicker reporting for duty! sir!

[ewigweibliche.livejournal.com]

Ooooo, that is so neat! I am so honored. I cannot wait!