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Women say some rape victims should take the blame

WHAT? I don't even need to read this entire article to know that women have internalized the hateful misogony of the patriarchy and suffer from self-loathing ideology. Why do women hate each other like this? Rape is NEVER the victim's fault. Even if you're comatose from drinking or you're walking naked down the street. Women make loads of stupid decisions all the time. And there are other consequences of the above actions: alcohol poisoning and the flu, perhaps. But rape? It is not a man's duty to 'punish' me for my stupid actions. Women and men may judge women who make stupid choices and think 'they got what they deserved', but that's not what it is about is it? No. It's about men thinking women are sex objects, that any woman who is passive enough is theirs for taking, that women are sub-human and do not have the dignity that men have. In cases of rape the blame is ALWAYS on the assailant. It is the perpetrator who cannot keep his hands (and other bits) to himself. It is HIS lack of self-control and his lack of honor for other living creatures.

I was date raped when I was 20. I take responsibility for my stupidness. I acknowledge that I was weak and had poor boundaries. I did not report it because it was so.... murky. I was up for fooling around. I was not up for sex. I said no. He didn't listen. We were in my bed. Am I to blame? If you say yes, defriend me right now.

Date: 2010-02-15 06:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hrafntinna.livejournal.com
My feminism doesn't only fight for the rights of women. My objection to the "what about the men" in such a context is that it derails a conversation that needs to happen and all too often is shut down by men as speakers or subjects.

To my mind, it's like bursting into a geometry classroom where it's just been taught that the angles of a triangle add up to 180 and saying, "not if it's drawn on the surface of a sphere!" While that fact is perfectly true and very important, the class on Euclidean geometry will grind to a total halt if it's taken up right there.

Date: 2010-02-15 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] readthisandweep.livejournal.com
YES!!! Hey you men ~ hijacking our debates is NOT the answer. Don't become part of the problem! Don't make it about you! Support & honour our grievance, hear our anger, get off the fence & explain to your male friends exactly what the word 'NO' means!

Date: 2010-02-15 06:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ewigweibliche.livejournal.com
Yes. Your brilliance never fails.

Date: 2010-02-16 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwydion1987.livejournal.com
My objection to the "what about the men" in such a context is that it derails a conversation that needs to happen and all too often is shut down by men as speakers or subjects.

Yes, I can understand that and it's a problematic issue. Though while there are times and places that NEED TO BE "women only", I think there are men who are willing to give women and their needs more space, who are willing to be true allies and who in my pov shouldn't be excluded from process nor thinking. That's all I'm saying.

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